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Has the Web 2.0 Hype Cycle Kicked In?
I'm as bullish as anybody about the growth of social media and the impact it will have on the relationship between brands and consumers. But this study makes me think "Bubble 2.0" with its conclusion that 81% of marketers will spend as much or more on Conversational Marketing than traditional marketing by 2012. This suggests an order-of-magnitude faster growth than Interactive marketing and TV advertising has seen in the last decade...
Let me start by saying Cymfony is a member of SNCR and fully support their work. And I'm friends with Joseph Jaffe and think he is one of the leading thinkers in the dramatic changes marketing is experiencing.
That said, this study smacks of the hype cycle "peak of inflated expectations". I use these as reference points:
- Interactive marketing has been around for over 13 years, and it is $18.4 billion this year, according to Forrester's latest interactive marketing sizing report and will be only $61 billion by 2012. (I say "only" because Bob Coen at Universal McCann pegs 2006 advertising spending at $285 billion.)
- If you date DVR's to TiVo's launch in 1999, they have been around 8 years, and the penetration is only 17%, with only about 5% of viewing is on DVR (don't remember where I saw that stat...). Sure, the TV business is quaking in their boots but the 2007 Upfront was stronger than ever -- about a 5% overall increase and CPM increases up to 8 - 9%, despite repeated predictions that it must collapse in the face of declining audiences and rising CPMs.
In other words, if after 13 years, interactive marketing is less than 10% of total marketing, how is conversational marketing going to get to 50% in 5 years? Same question if DVRs haven't demolished the TV advertising business after 7 years?
As an ex-analyst, I sympathize with anyone trying to predict the future of radical changes like this. I've had my share of "irrational exuberance" reports like the December 1998 "1999 will be the year of rich media ads" and my wish-to-be-forgotten January 2001 classic "Online Advertising Eclipsed" (which predicted rapid growth for online ads but even more rapid growth for a broader definition of interactive marketing just as we entered the collapse of Bubble 1.0; I quickly revised it in October 2001 with "Online Advertising Retrenches"). I fear Joseph may have fallen into the trap I fell into of 1) believing what the marketers he interviewed told him and that 2) he only spoke to early adopter conversational/social media/Web 2.0 marketers who have all good intentions that haven't yet hit the reality of corporate conservatism.
The one thing I learned is that no matter how fast technology changes, consumers and marketers don't change nearly as quickly.
My fear is that numbers like this strain the credibility of the industry such that they may do more to reinforce reluctant execs' view that this is another bubble than they do to galvanize them to change.
Is there an irreversible change that will shift money out of traditional, one-way, broadcast marketing? Yes.
Is the future of marketing conversing with customers, listening to their needs/complaints/suggestions and adapting products and messages to align with them? Absolutely.
Will marketers learn to love giving control to their brand advocates and increase their use of widgets and allow consumers to take and spread an array of brand assets as they see fit? No doubt in my mind.
But none of this will happen overnight. Living through one "Trough of Disillusionment" is enough for my career. Let's all try to skip it and keep the marketing world climbing the "Slope of Enlightenment".
Posted by Jim Nail on October 20, 2007 at 11:27 AM | Email this post
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Actually according to the study, it looks like Conversational Marketing will constitute (best case) 25% of budgets by 2012...which (liberal or not), if the responses are accurate, would mean that "traditional" marketing will need to be around 24%...which, if accurate, would mean that something else...will make up the 51%.
Could that something else be digital? Absolutely. Will most (if not all) of television be digital by 2012? Absolutely.
Did you see that Best Buy have stopped selling analog TV's? http://www.reuters.com/article/consumerproducts-SP/idUSN1735317420071018
If anything, it is the definition of traditional that is probably too liberal.
Now...if you want to help me define what will fall into the conversational marketing bucket, I'd be all ears :)
Posted by: Joseph Jaffe | Oct 20, 2007 11:55:33 AM
Your post clearly says 81% expect to spend more...are you saying that your analysis is that it will only be 24%? You should state that clearly. There's no way it will get to 24% in five years -- your numbers say today Conversational Marketing is 2.5%. That's a big gap to close in 5 years -- online advertising growing at 20 - 30% picks up a couple of percentage points in share per year....in order for this to happen conversational Marketing has to pick up 5 - 6 points per year.
Posted by: Jim Nail | Oct 20, 2007 12:20:21 PM
Jim, I'm not saying that at all. I'm just saying 81% of the sample said they expected to be spending as much if not more on conversational versus traditional marketing within the next 5 years.
It's as much about the rise of conversational marketing as it is the about the demise or perhaps I should say transformation (or metamorphosis) of traditional.
Posted by: Joseph Jaffe | Oct 20, 2007 2:22:08 PM
I think you both raise good points. This is not an either /or situation, but a new approach that combines all of the media and communications vehicles and modalities we have at our disposal - with the addition of a conversational element. And, the opportunities and tools that enable conversations grow and are enhanced more each day.
I think one of our respondents summed it up best by stating:
"Conversational marketing is an ongoing, sustained, proactive two-way dialogue that a company has with its customers about how to improve the customer experience, products, services, interactions (the whole 360 degree view)."
If we think of conversational marketing in this way, it is not at all surprising that a significant portion of expenditures and resources would flow to this new approach of communicating with our constituencies.
Think about all the elements that go into "conversational marketing" - listening, monitoring, responding, relationship-building activities, etc. This approach fundamentally changes the way we think about advertising, marketing, PR, customer service, support, corporate and employee communications, etc.
Several months ago, one of the SNCR's Senior Fellows, Dr. Nora Barnes from the U. of Massachusetts conducted a study which showed significant and fast-paced growth in the adoption of social media tools by the Inc. 500. Now, with online entities like Facebook valued at $10 billion, and being looked to as one of the most important emerging potential advertising platforms of our day, there's further evidence that organizations of all types and sizes are looking for more ways to make their marketing more "conversational."
The advertising industry knows that a significant shift away from "traditional" advertising is happening.
Yes, Jim, Bob Coen may have pegged ad spending at $285B last year, but he was also recently quoted as saying: "I can't deny it anymore. Things are pretty bad," regarding the state of traditional advertising spending growth in the U.S. The only medium that is growing in terms of ad expenditures is online, and we know that "traditional" online is not as effective as it used to be.
So, what is left? More interactivity, more dynamic, creative approaches to engaging with our constituencies. And that involves conversation.
Jim, we'd be very happy to share all the detailed results with you, and would welcome a follow up post once you've had a chance to look at all the data rather than just the topline summary of our findings.
Thanks so much for your interest in this study.
Jen McClure
Executive Director
Society for New Communications Research
Posted by: Jen McClure | Oct 22, 2007 2:27:26 PM
The quote above is a great definition of conversational marketing. While I see a lot of companies blogging, using social networks, doing viral marketing etc. etc. I see few of them living up to this definition.
And that is my fear -- that companies will do one or two of these activities and pat themselves on the back for making the transition to conversational marketing.
The kind of organizational change that is required to carry on "an ongoing, sustained, proactive two-way dialogue" is a long way off. I fear that if we let companies off too easily by saying they can make the transition in five years or less, they will stop far short of where they need to be.
I will definitely take a deeper look at the data.
Posted by: Jim Nail | Oct 22, 2007 2:43:31 PM
I think that's a great point, Jim. The question for organizations truly is: 'How do we get there?'
There are some great examples out there of organizations that are successfully undergoing this transformation, and I think we just need to all stay committed to seeking out and sharing those examples, as Joseph has done in his book, as we try to do in our research and education and as Cymfony does with its studies and whitepapers.
So, let's open a new discussion forum/comment stream. If we agree that significant dollars and resources will be allocated to making this shift toward a more "conversation based" paradigm, then what will that look like? What steps do companies need to take to be successful? What will new organizational structures look like?" What new roles will emerge? And, where will these dollars actually be spent?
Posted by: Jen McClure | Oct 22, 2007 3:00:00 PM
Interesting thread guys. I fear the irrational exuberance perhaps more than anything. People ask me if Facebook is a fad, or blogging is a fad, or Xxxxxx is a fad.
My answer is: It doesn't matter which tool is a fad. What I'm convinced is NOT a fad is that companies who learn how to have a dialogue and how to empower their fans to spread the word for them will have a huge competitive advantage. Too many firms will let the lawyers (and the marketing people) get in the way to do it right, until the early adopters show the way.
But I also believe that the spend will increase gradually, not nearly as fast as online advertising. This is in part because you can engage in social media without huge advertising budgets. There's still a major time investment, tech investment, etc., but you don't need millions to buy the banners, etc. So the spend just doesn't need to be as rapid or as large.
My two cents. Let's be evangelists, but not drink too much of the Kool-Aid...
~Jim
Posted by: Jim Tobin at Ignite Social Media | Nov 20, 2007 9:28:29 AM
Jim,
You're singing my song! Couldn't agree more.
Posted by: Jim Nail | Nov 20, 2007 11:12:48 AM



